#i hate even posting about discourse

[devine-fem]

alright i wasnt gonna make a post out if this until i saw someone else deal with something similar. i wanna mention jayroy haters and how insufferable they are. i dont even ship jayroy and i got comments like this JUST FROM TAGGING THEM IN A POST cause i thought the ship dynamic would fit

like im not going to ship something (didnt even know dickroy was a thing) and change my post on my BLOG just because you told me to… its my blog… please go away

THEN THE SAME PERSON ON A DIFFERENT POST DAYS LATER. PLEASE GO AWAYYYY, like youre the pinnacle of the word “loser” GET A JOB. ION EVEN SHIP THEM. then i changed the post tags to this cause im petty 😍

then i saw a post that was someone in someone elses inbox saying “stop posting jayroy, its the worst ship ever” PLEASEEEE check yourself omg… you going on someone elses blog to tell THEM what to and what not to post is so OUT OF TOUCH AND TONE DEAF, go outside or just block the tag like a normal person.

if you do this please dni.

[theotherbuckley]

Guys can we start tagging negativity with #911 negativity or #discourse or alike? Not to devalue anyones opinions, that’s fair, but I’d like to be able to filter negativity out.

[98chao]

truly i love all of you and i'm so grateful for all the support i get on my vanilla milkshake posts here because i've just seen the way people talk about vanilla milkshake and mysticao on twitter and its genuinely taken 50 years off my life. now i've been reminded as to why i should never join the crk fandom on twitter

[digitalgirls]

i think itzy should be allowed to shoot people

[tubbytarchia]

Flower husbands tag is once again discourse with air. "I'm so tired of discourse and toxic FH shippers hating on me" girl where. Who is hating on you. Can the Flower husbands tag please just be flower husbands again I'm so tired of one person yelling at a cloud and then 10 others joining them to bitch about discourse that does not exist. I wanna see Flower husbands again not this. Where are those two gay guys. Show me the discourse. Actually show me. Please I'm begging. Show me. Show me how toxic FH personally attacked you.??

[nevermeyers]

regarding the whole jjk& gege hatespread movement going on rn, i think this is the perfect illustration of what happened when """trendhoppers""" (i really do not like that term) get into a popular manga because of the characters (fangirls) or the powerscale (..reddit anime bros?😭). and like, to some extent, that's fine!! fangirls are and will always be a big part of fandoms and are a big part of what keeps the community alive. i think the problem lays on the fact that jjk got a wide audience who is used to very binary good guys/bad guys representation in anime with same schemes repeated all over and never questioned their grounding bases. and some really don't like to be confronted to new characters paths or visions (especially if they do not accord to their own).

also the fact that people tend to move to the next shiny thing when the hype is over usually leaves the fandom with people who are actually interested in the story, whereas jjk never left the big screens. so i feel like a lot of the people who take a lot of place in this discourse are only there because they want to argue about who bodies who and "x could wipe the floor with y" and "x is so me guys" etc. they completely disregard the story and it's building, which is (besides interesting (and it is always good to remind it)) the WORK of SOMEONE who puts his time and effort into it.

most people treat work as content (which is bad)(coughcapitalismcough) and get angry when it's not presented in the way they want it to be☹️

You are so right anon!

And do you know what's the worst thing I've ever seen? Someone who said that Satoru couldn't die because the consumer (us, the readers) is always right ☠️ That take is so fucking disgusting, I don't even know where to begin to express the disgust I feel. There are people in the fandom who don't understand anything, they are the typical self-centered people who believe it's okay to throw trash on the school floor because there are hired cleaners. They are disgusting, I don't regret saying it.

The good thing about these chapters is that it's being shown who in the fandom are good people and who are narcissistic and ethnocentric wrecks who believe they have the power to decide on the author of the work. I've spent the last few months mass blocking these guys, ugh, I can't stand them. Worst of all, they live in their own delulu world where a sad ending (or//insert any ending they don't like) is not allowed. They really think jjk should have an ending where Sukuna is defeated and that is, again, self-centered. They say that, otherwise, everything would have been for nothing. Hmm? Since when does letting evil win undo an entire story? They are unable to value jjk for its history. They are doing the same thing that the jujutsu world did with Satoru, they are dehumanizing everything and they are so self-centered they don't even realize it.

People are literally dehumanizing both the author and the characters themselves, forcing their own vision of the narrative at the expense of whatever. Also, I've noticed that many of these profiles just spew hate, literally. That's their whole personality. You see a review in your dash, you enter the profile and surprise! that person hates everything they consume, they don't have a single good word in absolutely any chapter, they hate the author and claim that “Gege doesn't know his own characters” (as if characters aren't allowed to change and evolve in their views, ideology, etc, lmao)

These people are the worst, they spread super negative vibes. They seem very immature to me, because, if you don't like something, why would you continue consuming it? That's straight toxic, and I don't think they have a proper mental health if they're like this with the rest of things happening in their lives. They like to hate and they live off it, that is the only answer.

On the other hand, they are forcing “Gege has a bad narrative” to cover up the fact they are incapable of leaving the fandom and seeing the characters as characters and not their puppets, they force their fanon vision on them and then cry when they discover that they aren't like they expected. Shoko is an example of this. She was always certainly cold, but the fandom always painted her as Satoru's super hyper bestie, as a victim of Satoru's “selfisness” after the kfc breakup (god forbid a teenager grieving) and forced on her that she's a very good person when in reality she is still a doctor who passed her exams by cheating and who showed no empathy in lots of situations, when seeing, for example, Yuuji's corpse.

People also complain that the final fight is taking too long, lol, fights in shonen are like that, that's the point of the genre, babe, jjk is literally sold and promoted as a fight shonen. I honestly think that those who say that are people with a tiktok span of attention. (they would complain if the fight lasted for ten chapters too) Also, what a coincidence gege's narrative dropped when they started waiting weekly for a chapter, huh? What a coincidence they started disliking jjk when they started waiting, also all characters now seemed to be bad written after they started waiting another coincidence! Fast consuming has RUINED people's perception of media.

The moral of this is: enjoy what you consume, be mature about your consuming choices and have a good relationship with the things you like. Stay away from the negativity! And, most importantly, don't treat the author as your slave.

By the way, ik people have a twitter mentality so i'll say this for those. I'm not saying people can't have their own opinions, don't force that narrative on me lol It's the way you express your views that categorizes wether you're a normal person or an asshole. For example, I would have loved Yūta to stay out of this and leave Sukuna to Yuuji, since it was his time to shine! I think Yuuji deserves to have the spotlight and end everything (or try to), carry the final fight and all that. But I won't complain about it, nor drop the manga, because I'm not an inmature self-centered fifteen year old :)

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[nintendont2502]

btw i will forever recommend just. refusing to engage in discourse. its free its easy and you literally arent missing anything LMAO - 99% of discourse on here is just on the most pointless petty shit that literally doesnt mean a single thing to anyone in real life (i am looking directly at you "pRo/AnTi" shippers), and the other 1% is genuinely important shit... that isnt going to be solved in any productive way by insulting '''the other side''' online. arguing with strangers online never changes anyones mind all youre doing is making yourself *and* your cause look annoying as hell :thumbsup: maybe chill out. find a hobby.

[liam-summers]

Sp*ke: spends several seasons trying to kill Buffy and her friends/family, has a dream and decides he’s in love with Buffy, Stalks her, breaks into her house and steals her belongings (underwear, clothes, pictures), makes a shrine of her in his crypt, has a robot in her likeness built so he can have sex with it, goes to her house with a shotgun intent on blowing her brains out, kidnaps her ties her up and threatens to kill her if she doesn’t admit to having feelings for him, repeatedly ignores her protests that she doesn’t love him and is disgusted by him, attempts to kill her every time his chip stops working, has violent sex with her when she’s at her absolute lowest, repeatedly tells her she came back wrong to keep her isolated and depressed so he can keep having sex with her, repeatedly tells her she belongs in the dark with him further isolating her, manipulating her, and taking advantage of her self loathing and ptsd for his own gain, repeatedly ignores her saying no, continues to invade her space and tries to blackmail her when she ends things with him, tries to rape her, gets a soul as a last ditch effort to force her to love him, comes back and guilt trips her at every turn that he got a soul for her and now he’s suffering, continues to stick around and is a liability to Buffy and her entire mission.

Sp*ffy fans: He’s so committed to her 🥰 he’s the only one who understands her and views her as an equal. He holds her accountable and supports her at the same time, he acts like a partner to her and would do anything for her but she was always too afraid to accept his love because she didn’t love herself and was also too committed to Angel who didn’t actually really love her because he didn’t fight for her love like Sp*ke fought for her love. But then when she finally falls in love with Sp*ke in the last episode, she fell in love with herself.

I genuinely don’t understand how one could come to those conclusions.

Like at what point do you realize that all of those things aren’t examples of commitment, but instead an obsessive pattern of behaviour that is a complete violation of a woman’s boundaries, agency, body, and mind.

What would it take for people to see Buffy’s infinite protests and disgust as a boundary that this man does not care to respect because the only thing he’s driven by is HIS obsession and need to have Buffy for himself?

The only way this POV makes any sense is that these people only care about Sp*ke’s perspective and don’t give a shit about Buffy’s. And the biggest slap in the face is that they praise this as a shining example of what a healthy relationship should look like.

Anyway, me personally, I could never hate Buffy Summers, and will never get on board with this repulsive narrative. Sorry.

[pyrosomatic-metamorphosis]

OH. okay so normally i dont touch discourse with a 20 ft pole, but this has been niggling at my brain tonight and i finally realized why

the people who are mad at qbbh for the memory loss and “dodging consequences” dont understand that he doesnt want to dodge consequences. Like they cant know that, they werent focused on him when he was literally feeding himself to the soul vultures and planning his eventual imprisonment and also. The Many Many Many hints he made towards suicide/sacrifice/Just Fucking Dying.

ccbbh is a subtle roleplayer, he’s been building this shit up for two whole months- it was day FIVE of the eggs going missing that he resolved to do whatever it took (hurting his friends) to get the eggs back. It was day three that he followed in dapper’s footsteps and started feeding himself to the soul vultures (and gaining a Massive headwound beneath his hood in the process- you can only see it if you go on namemc and remove the layers). He’s got impaired judgement. Even the memory issues arent a new thing- i cant remember exactly when they started, but one of the first big moments i remmeber was september 30th where he spent an hour falling into a delusional frenzy searching his base for cameras that he forgot he asked aypierre to plant.

The super murder of purgatory and the memory loss afterwards probably all feels very sudden for people who havent been following his story, but as someone who has been- all of this has been true to character. The only cheap swings he’s made have been combat-based in purgatory, and even the motive for those was built up in rp.

People are calling for consequences, but he has alrwady been experiencing self-inflicted consequences for months. The blue on his usual outfit is blood. This recent memory loss isnt a restart to get away with the atrocities - it is yet another consequence of his egg-protecting complexes and the ways he punishes himself for failing them.

he is NOT a moral character. he’s a demon hiding in plain site. he has eaten people. he has killed people. he understands the cruelty of his actions, and the consequences of them for the loved ones of his victims. but it matters when that harm is being done to his loved ones. he’ll still do it, because he will do anything for the eggs, but it matters, and that means that he has already started the process of self-inflicting those much-demanded consequences

[beanghostprincess]

I mean… wlw content get overshadowed by mlm ships everyday so it is insensitive a little

Not to sound too mean but what do you expect me to do? I get that sapphic ships get overshadowed and underrated all the time in comparison to achillean ones. Believe me. I am a lesbian who is constantly pushing their sapphic ships everywhere.

But you can't expect people to suddenly stop posting about the achillean ships they enjoy just because they're more popular than YOUR favorite ships. Is it bothersome that achillean ships get more attention for the sole reason of being a male pairing while sapphic ships get ignored or not even suggested? Yeah!!!! It's frustrating.

But if you want some change in the amount of content you see then it's YOUR fight only and others should be allowed to post whatever they like. If you want to post only sapphic ships or you're bothered by them being talked in the same light as achillean ones, then it's YOUR choice to make.

Fandom is NOT activism!!! Fandom is meant to be enjoyed in whatever way you want. Fandom is to interpret media in your own way. So, honestly, if I want to make a simple post comparing two ships I like, why should I be trying to defend myself here for that? If people don't like it, then they can just block me, scroll, move on, etc.

To think a post about comparing fictional ships is insensitive is insane to me, tbh.

[galehowl]

I miss FFXIV so much, really need to start going back to doing... something with my characters.

I kind of unintentionally drifted away from it and then just didn't have time to work on my own stuff due to life things, but man. I miss it.

Even though I'm still mentally in ShB/Endwalker LOL

[ingravinoveritas]

Just need to say this: Being a fan of someone does not mean worshiping them blindly, but neither does it mean dragging and canceling them because they do not agree with your exact worldview. Being a fan means being honest about who someone is...including the parts you might not always like. It means knowing that they are as likely to make mistakes and hold imperfect views as anyone else, but that does not make them incapable of changing and evolving. And it means seeing the person as a whole, flawed human being, not just as the version of themselves that you find acceptable.

[charlesherbertlightoller]

If Madoka Magica was released in 2014-2017, you'd have tags like #pmmmcritical containing unhinged and opinionated discourse posts like: "Unfriendly fucking reminder to STOP fucking joking about He/ad/less Ma//mi because her death fucking TRAUMATIZED Mad//oka and Sa//yaka and you're a monster if you think a 15-year-old getting decapitated by a witch in front of her friends and giving them PTSD is funny", alongside various random posts rabidly hating on Kyubey or Madoka's little brother.

[fizoda]

unpopular opinion: the whole who is the better Robin debate between Damian and Tim is sorta bs

cause like both Robins have great highlights from each of their runs and all of them are drastically different

at this point when I see people criticize the two bringing up points on who is better it just feels like a debate between oranges and apples, sure they’re both fruit but very different

[disdaidal]

Someone who constantly embarks on ship wars and fandom wank... doesn't sound too mentally stable. It's sad, really.

Dedicating all that energy and free time to arguing about fictional characters and their relationships, instead of channeling it into something more relaxing or creative, sounds destructive.

Seek help, please. Before it devours you completely.

[villafordefeatedvillains]

i love having opinions on mental health that so many people would have me drawn and quartered for because i think we (the mentally ill people) have bigger problems than other people like us. for example, psychiatrists. anyway did you know that if you're diagnosed with DID they can use it to withhold gender affirming care? did you know many professionals don't even believe DID exists at all? did you know that when you spend eight entire months of your life in a long-term psych ward you realize that the psychiatric institutions are the enemy and not people who believe differently about the same fucking condition? :) did you know that??? that having pissing contests about who's a Good And Pure Mentally Ill and who's an Evil Lying Faker is just repackaged queer label discourse????? that fighting each other on the internet is not going to help anyone and that we should be holding outdated and abusive institutions accountable? but no sure have your stupid trauma pissing contests so you can feel morally superior